Patrick Christys

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And Patrick, if we look at it on a macro level, what we're really talking about is the disintegration of the social fabric, isn't it, really?

One of the things, you've just mentioned the sensible centre.

I mean, you look at, I mean, Labour, the Labour Party effectively, I mean, they're dead.

They're in power, but they're dead.

The Conservatives Party aren't in much better health.

It's going to be essentially populism all the way down, isn't it, Peter, from here on in?

Patrick, I was going to say, come on, jump in.

Well, it's a really important point and not enough people talk about this.

And that stat is heartbreaking, by the way.

And it's accurate.

I remember when I was teaching, I was horrified that nobody spoke about this.

And look, I'm going to sound as if I'm banging a drum here, but it's because in this country, there is an absolute sneering attitude towards

to white working class people, but particularly white working class men and boys.

The ruling establishment

If we carry on this current trajectory, my real concern, Patrick, is that we're already in a terrible place, but we're actually going to end up somewhere far, far worse that the vast majority of people who've lived in this country have never seen before.