Patrick McGee

And where I sort of get...

you know internally uh debating just myself on is is is that just pure nostalgia that has no place in today's apple is the company just too big to really have that and i don't know i think within the confines of what apple is john turnus sounds like the sort of guy who actually does can take on a little more risk maybe within the tim cook organization he hasn't been known for that

Certainly he's not a risk taker in the way that Steve Jobs was, but I don't think he's so averse to it the way that Tim Cook really is.

I mean, that's sort of a defining quality of Tim Cook, just how conservative, sort of calm and cool he is about it.

So I love the idea.

I don't know if this person's right, but they know Ternus and they say that, you know, he's sort of itching to do a lot more.

You know, this is someone who plays with go-karts and engineers them in spare time, seeing if a titanium go-kart is going to be better than the aluminum one that he has in his garage.

That's just not...

Tim Cook, right?

So he's more of a tinkerer.

And the fact that he's into racing just sort of tells you a little bit about his temperament.

Tim Cook's into hiking.

giving gold plaques and gifts to the president like we saw with the previous guy better that's the that's the president um yeah i mean so obviously for me you know this is my this is my issue this is the thing that i think most about and the it basically depends on future events i hate to start stop start keep repeating myself but with tim cook um

The issue is that Tim Cook is not leaving the company.

He's the executive chairman.

And so sort of any journalist with a sense of other corporations histories has to immediately think, is that brilliance?

Because John is John Ternus needs a helping hand.

And how do you deal with Brussels, Beijing and Washington?

I mean, how do you deal with Trump?

I mean, anyone could use an internship from Tim Cook on how to do that.