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Patrick McKenzie

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

very plausibly should get on the nightly news and say i received the following email from the white house that says uh we should uh uh stop this everywhere uh like if you point a gun at me i will comply with this at the point of a gun that is what it will take but this is it almost requires civil disobedience in the sense of if you're right about the earlier statement that in 2021 there are going to be serious political repercussions on the tech companies so

Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

You need to have a risk tolerance, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

Like we, every business everywhere, including the financial industry, including the tech industry is like balancing various risks together.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

And the risk tolerance was like poorly calibrated.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

One can achieve results in the world by doing things like embarrassing government officials.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

And like embarrassing a person in a position of authority is not a zero risk behavior.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

It is relatively low risk in the United States relative to other places.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

That was extremely important for VaccinateCA.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

People thought at the beginning, are we going to get in trouble for publishing true information about vaccine availability that will embarrass the state of California?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

And I said, I have a very high confidence that no matter what we do vis-a-vis the state of California, that you cannot get in serious trouble in the United States for saying true things.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

The First Amendment exists.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

We have backstopping infrastructure here.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

And if push comes to shove, we will shove back and we will win.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

And this is just me as a guy who took the same civics course that everyone took and does not have a huge amount of resources relative to, say, the entire tech industry.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

Maybe we need to have a certain amount of intestinal fortitude, like a, okay,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

You've asked us to do something.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

You've threatened us with taking away all the wonderful toys and the great business models that make this an extremely lucrative area to work in and to sacrifice a value that is very important for us to continue to do that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

No, we're going to fight you on this one.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

And, you know, the comms trained part of me is like, don't use the word fight.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Patrick McKenzie - How a Discord Server Saved Thousands of Lives

We are going to collaborate with stakeholders across civil society to achieve an optimal outcome balancing the multiple disparate and legitimate interests of various arms of the government and civil society and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.