Patrick O'Shaughnessy

You've made or been a part of making so many things, so many movies.

What could CEOs learn from filmmakers?

two groups that like lead a group of people to make a thing i've always had this weird obsession with filmmakers i don't know why maybe it's the fact that the thing they make it ends the project ends and then it's on the next it's not just this like continuous thing that you have to constantly build and that's appealing to me in some way you've worked with some of the amazing filmmakers and seen appreciated their art what could one learn from the other

Having been and worked with lots of CEOs that have chosen this ultimate responsibility, how would you articulate the job of a CEO?

In your experience, when you've seen people do that job well or do it poorly, what are the good ones in some basic sense doing really well?

What is an iconic character to you?

And I ask that because I feel like most people maybe selfishly want themselves to be like an iconic character in their own story, their company to be an iconic thing in the world that it operates.

You see what iconic characters, what things come to mind?

Is that just fighting death?

To go deeper on that, so we all have to die and therefore a certain kind of story is appealing?

I want you to expand on each of those two, anxiety purged or fantasy fulfilled, that these are the two fundamental kinds of stories.

Is it important that people know which one they're in?

As you begin to process for what makes a great story, making them, enjoying them, what elements started to fall out?

Maybe the most common ultimate concern, probably by revealed preference in the U.S.

in the group of people listening to this is money.

Yeah.

What do you think about that?

What is a great story to you?

What does that mean?

Why is that such an appealing story?