Paul C. Brunson

From my memory, I believe it was hearsay.

But I think it was fuelled by press.

So ultimately, press...

were the ones who labeled us the names.

Absolutely.

So there was a war from the get-go.

As soon as we released that we were going to be a band and start to release music, we were constantly battled against each other in a world that we were trying to navigate.

You know, we didn't have – there were six months prior, like, years they had to adapt to what was coming and a team around them.

You know, we were signed to an indie label effectively.

And, you know, we weren't groomed.

You know, we didn't have that team.

And so we felt like we were almost set out to the lions.

You know, we didn't have media training.

Interesting.

It was just – I think what –

What the attraction was for Liberty, towards Liberty, we were only Liberty at the time, was that we were raw.

And that was quite evident because we didn't know when to stop talking or what not to say.

And we were on the fact that we were able to

We were able to bring our creative energy to what we put out there, which usually doesn't happen, well, doesn't happen to manufactured bands, actually.

But the press battled us and Hearsay off from the get-go, Flopstars, Wannabes, The Five Losers, and it was evident that they wanted us to fail.