Paul Conti

I believe that it is, yes.

Can I clarify first?

I think the capacity for evil, I do believe, is in all of us.

There's a difference between enacting evil and a sort of preset, followed, developed plan of evil.

I don't believe that all of us are capable of doing

what the people who perpetrate the most evil do.

But I do believe that we're capable of perpetrating evil.

And one thought would be that there are drives in us.

I mean, there certainly seem to be drives in us towards...

towards gratification, in some ways towards pleasure.

And that can get very complicated because pleasure inside can be relief of distress.

So if I feel very badly about myself and I can feel a little better about myself by making you feel worse about yourself, which that plays out in a lot of human beings, is that an indirect way of bringing pleasure?

So it gets very complicated what's going on inside of us.

And sometimes the perpetration of...

Evil things can be through misunderstandings, anger, impulsivity.

I mean, they're things that we can have in us, and other times there can be other things going on which are through the lens of unhealthy human psychology.

So, for example, the psychology of envy, which I think drives the lion's share of the orchestrated evil, right?

There's a difference between impulsive, reflexive,

evil and highly orchestrated evil, which I think is driven by envy.

I think it's all fueled by that.