Paul Glastris

In fact, you know, our rankings wind up...

giving bonuses to students, to schools that take in more kids on Pell, right?

On Pell grants.

Pell grants are the grants from the federal government that go to moderate and low-income students.

The more Pell grants you take in as a percentage and the better those students do, the higher you are on our rankings.

So it's just a very different way of looking at it.

You get a different result.

Yeah, well, I was, you know, not the greatest student in the world in elementary and middle school.

And toward the end of high school, I finally kind of began to buckle down, but I didn't have great scores or anything.

So I went to where everybody in my subdivision, my suburb of St.

Louis went to, which is, you know, a Missouri state school, University of Missouri.

Good, you know, it's the flagship.

And then I, you know, for a variety of reasons, transferred to Northwestern.

My brother was there, my best friend was there.

Anyway, what I found was that the quality of the professors at Northwestern were excellent, but they were no more excellent than the quality of the professors at Mizzou.

We have a plethora of very smart people getting

degrees in this country, struggling to find places to teach.

And so these universities have their pick of brilliant minds.

And so the difference in the quality of the teaching is not so great.

And that kind of opened my mind to the idea that this hierarchy of