Paul Hawken

And people listening, you know, I mean, obviously they must be good at something, you know, like AOC and Bernie Sanders, you know, going around, you know. And it's a fun experience for the people attending. And if you've got the microphone, you know, you can... Yeah, it's fun to say that this is all the fault of corporations and billionaires.

Well, sure. I mean, I do think the existing, you know, capitalist exploitive extractive system will collapse, you know, economically. I don't have a question about that because it's based on debt. Debt in every sense of the word, both capital debt, I mean... you know, and it can't sustain itself. That's for sure. That is not about human beings. That's about a system.

Well, sure. I mean, I do think the existing, you know, capitalist exploitive extractive system will collapse, you know, economically. I don't have a question about that because it's based on debt. Debt in every sense of the word, both capital debt, I mean... you know, and it can't sustain itself. That's for sure. That is not about human beings. That's about a system.

Well, sure. I mean, I do think the existing, you know, capitalist exploitive extractive system will collapse, you know, economically. I don't have a question about that because it's based on debt. Debt in every sense of the word, both capital debt, I mean... you know, and it can't sustain itself. That's for sure. That is not about human beings. That's about a system.

And obviously people who think they can benefit from the system want to be part of the system. They want to be in the Trump administration. They want to be in Washington. They want to be in banks. They want to be in whatever, that's happening. But the bulk of humanity is different than that. The bulk of humanity are really quite lovely. I'm not saying those people are nice.

And obviously people who think they can benefit from the system want to be part of the system. They want to be in the Trump administration. They want to be in Washington. They want to be in banks. They want to be in whatever, that's happening. But the bulk of humanity is different than that. The bulk of humanity are really quite lovely. I'm not saying those people are nice.

And obviously people who think they can benefit from the system want to be part of the system. They want to be in the Trump administration. They want to be in Washington. They want to be in banks. They want to be in whatever, that's happening. But the bulk of humanity is different than that. The bulk of humanity are really quite lovely. I'm not saying those people are nice.

I'm just saying humanity is really a lovely species. And as opposed to virus or some disease that happened to be crawling across the planet. Do we make mistakes or do we know the right thing to do? No. Have we caused a lot of damage? Yes. Do we cause suffering? Yes. There's been wars forever for 6,000 years or more. But I do feel that we're...

I'm just saying humanity is really a lovely species. And as opposed to virus or some disease that happened to be crawling across the planet. Do we make mistakes or do we know the right thing to do? No. Have we caused a lot of damage? Yes. Do we cause suffering? Yes. There's been wars forever for 6,000 years or more. But I do feel that we're...

I'm just saying humanity is really a lovely species. And as opposed to virus or some disease that happened to be crawling across the planet. Do we make mistakes or do we know the right thing to do? No. Have we caused a lot of damage? Yes. Do we cause suffering? Yes. There's been wars forever for 6,000 years or more. But I do feel that we're...

we're at the cusp of something that's coming to life, a borning that is really beautiful. That's what I see. I can see all the things that Bernie Sanders and others are saying about others. You know, I can see the polarity and I don't necessarily disagree, but it doesn't move the needle, you know?

we're at the cusp of something that's coming to life, a borning that is really beautiful. That's what I see. I can see all the things that Bernie Sanders and others are saying about others. You know, I can see the polarity and I don't necessarily disagree, but it doesn't move the needle, you know?

we're at the cusp of something that's coming to life, a borning that is really beautiful. That's what I see. I can see all the things that Bernie Sanders and others are saying about others. You know, I can see the polarity and I don't necessarily disagree, but it doesn't move the needle, you know?

I mean, Bernie Sanders was, you know, when he ran for president, I've known him for a while, he's a great guy, but, I mean, he was going on his private from city to city to city, giving four or five speeches a day and decrying fossil fuels. Well, he was... Jet A Fuel was taking him from city to city to city to city.

I mean, Bernie Sanders was, you know, when he ran for president, I've known him for a while, he's a great guy, but, I mean, he was going on his private from city to city to city, giving four or five speeches a day and decrying fossil fuels. Well, he was... Jet A Fuel was taking him from city to city to city to city.

I mean, Bernie Sanders was, you know, when he ran for president, I've known him for a while, he's a great guy, but, I mean, he was going on his private from city to city to city, giving four or five speeches a day and decrying fossil fuels. Well, he was... Jet A Fuel was taking him from city to city to city to city.

If you don't realize that people who are on the oil rigs and people who work for oil companies are really good people, then we're in real trouble. They are good people. They're moms, they're dads, they have children, they have grandchildren. You know, they give the part of a church, they take care of people who are unwell or less well in their community.

If you don't realize that people who are on the oil rigs and people who work for oil companies are really good people, then we're in real trouble. They are good people. They're moms, they're dads, they have children, they have grandchildren. You know, they give the part of a church, they take care of people who are unwell or less well in their community.

If you don't realize that people who are on the oil rigs and people who work for oil companies are really good people, then we're in real trouble. They are good people. They're moms, they're dads, they have children, they have grandchildren. You know, they give the part of a church, they take care of people who are unwell or less well in their community.

These are good human beings, you know, but we're so focused on this projection. And one thing I want to say about the climate narrative too, that gets to this. is that we have this idea that we're in an energy transition. If people just figure it out, you know, somehow, you know, and switch to renewables, right?