Paul Hawken

These are good human beings, you know, but we're so focused on this projection. And one thing I want to say about the climate narrative too, that gets to this. is that we have this idea that we're in an energy transition. If people just figure it out, you know, somehow, you know, and switch to renewables, right?

These are good human beings, you know, but we're so focused on this projection. And one thing I want to say about the climate narrative too, that gets to this. is that we have this idea that we're in an energy transition. If people just figure it out, you know, somehow, you know, and switch to renewables, right?

Solar, wind, that, you know, we would have the net zero in 2050 and everything would be solved. And, you know, like, and Drew, that's just so extraordinary. Ordinarily mistaken. We are not in an energy transition. 80% of the energy in the world is coal, gas, oil. 20% is electricity. We can make that renewable, probably. And by 2050, maybe, maybe not. Let's say we do. But you can't make steel.

Solar, wind, that, you know, we would have the net zero in 2050 and everything would be solved. And, you know, like, and Drew, that's just so extraordinary. Ordinarily mistaken. We are not in an energy transition. 80% of the energy in the world is coal, gas, oil. 20% is electricity. We can make that renewable, probably. And by 2050, maybe, maybe not. Let's say we do. But you can't make steel.

Solar, wind, that, you know, we would have the net zero in 2050 and everything would be solved. And, you know, like, and Drew, that's just so extraordinary. Ordinarily mistaken. We are not in an energy transition. 80% of the energy in the world is coal, gas, oil. 20% is electricity. We can make that renewable, probably. And by 2050, maybe, maybe not. Let's say we do. But you can't make steel.

You can't make cement. You can't make plastic, even if you don't want to. You can't make aluminum. You can't make roads. You can't make sidewalks. You can't make with electricity. So can we stop talking about this energy transition? We are not in an energy transition. Can we have an adult conversation about where we actually are? Hugely dependent on fossil fuels, hugely dependent on them.

You can't make cement. You can't make plastic, even if you don't want to. You can't make aluminum. You can't make roads. You can't make sidewalks. You can't make with electricity. So can we stop talking about this energy transition? We are not in an energy transition. Can we have an adult conversation about where we actually are? Hugely dependent on fossil fuels, hugely dependent on them.

You can't make cement. You can't make plastic, even if you don't want to. You can't make aluminum. You can't make roads. You can't make sidewalks. You can't make with electricity. So can we stop talking about this energy transition? We are not in an energy transition. Can we have an adult conversation about where we actually are? Hugely dependent on fossil fuels, hugely dependent on them.

we can't do with nuclear either say oh we'll do nuclear they can't make cement that can't make steel that can't make aluminum that can't make glass that can't i mean come on i'm under educated on that why couldn't nuclear be a part of that i'm under educated you can't because you can't make cement with electricity you can't make steel with electricity you can't make that's you're saying it needs fossil fuels it needs fossil fuels if you're going to make cement

we can't do with nuclear either say oh we'll do nuclear they can't make cement that can't make steel that can't make aluminum that can't make glass that can't i mean come on i'm under educated on that why couldn't nuclear be a part of that i'm under educated you can't because you can't make cement with electricity you can't make steel with electricity you can't make that's you're saying it needs fossil fuels it needs fossil fuels if you're going to make cement

we can't do with nuclear either say oh we'll do nuclear they can't make cement that can't make steel that can't make aluminum that can't make glass that can't i mean come on i'm under educated on that why couldn't nuclear be a part of that i'm under educated you can't because you can't make cement with electricity you can't make steel with electricity you can't make that's you're saying it needs fossil fuels it needs fossil fuels if you're going to make cement

And if you're going to make steel, and if you're going to make cars, and if you're going to make roads, if you're going to make buildings. I mean, and so we're not even having a conversation that's actually logical. Because they came up with Jimmy Carter as president, that we're going to energy transition and nuclear energy.

And if you're going to make steel, and if you're going to make cars, and if you're going to make roads, if you're going to make buildings. I mean, and so we're not even having a conversation that's actually logical. Because they came up with Jimmy Carter as president, that we're going to energy transition and nuclear energy.

And if you're going to make steel, and if you're going to make cars, and if you're going to make roads, if you're going to make buildings. I mean, and so we're not even having a conversation that's actually logical. Because they came up with Jimmy Carter as president, that we're going to energy transition and nuclear energy.

Somehow we just have nukes and we have basically renewables and we're good to go. It's just, again, I'm just saying, can we just have an adult conversation? That's absolutely not true. We use more wood in the first 25 years of this century than the last century if we... per 25 years. In other words, we use more wood per capita from here to 2025.

Somehow we just have nukes and we have basically renewables and we're good to go. It's just, again, I'm just saying, can we just have an adult conversation? That's absolutely not true. We use more wood in the first 25 years of this century than the last century if we... per 25 years. In other words, we use more wood per capita from here to 2025.

Somehow we just have nukes and we have basically renewables and we're good to go. It's just, again, I'm just saying, can we just have an adult conversation? That's absolutely not true. We use more wood in the first 25 years of this century than the last century if we... per 25 years. In other words, we use more wood per capita from here to 2025.

More wood in the 20th century than the 19th century. More wood in the 19th century than in the 18th century. We've used more fossil fuels in the same way. More in the last 25 years per century than in the last 100 years. We've used more coal in the last 25 years than we have if you prorated it over the last century, the 20th century. The 20th century used more than the 19th century.

More wood in the 20th century than the 19th century. More wood in the 19th century than in the 18th century. We've used more fossil fuels in the same way. More in the last 25 years per century than in the last 100 years. We've used more coal in the last 25 years than we have if you prorated it over the last century, the 20th century. The 20th century used more than the 19th century.

More wood in the 20th century than the 19th century. More wood in the 19th century than in the 18th century. We've used more fossil fuels in the same way. More in the last 25 years per century than in the last 100 years. We've used more coal in the last 25 years than we have if you prorated it over the last century, the 20th century. The 20th century used more than the 19th century.