Paul Hawken

I can agree more. At the same time, I think we have to be cautious that, you know, we are so privileged. And so we're in a little bit of an echo chamber in terms of what should, shouldn't be, you know, what works, what doesn't work. I'm not arguing against them so much as I'm saying is that we want to be sure that at least in awareness, we are aware of

I can agree more. At the same time, I think we have to be cautious that, you know, we are so privileged. And so we're in a little bit of an echo chamber in terms of what should, shouldn't be, you know, what works, what doesn't work. I'm not arguing against them so much as I'm saying is that we want to be sure that at least in awareness, we are aware of

I can agree more. At the same time, I think we have to be cautious that, you know, we are so privileged. And so we're in a little bit of an echo chamber in terms of what should, shouldn't be, you know, what works, what doesn't work. I'm not arguing against them so much as I'm saying is that we want to be sure that at least in awareness, we are aware of

of the entirety of human being and what they're experiencing on a daily basis in terms of nutrition, in terms of food, in terms of clothing, in terms of warmth, in terms of healthcare, in terms of knowledge and so forth. And that's harder to get. I live in a very privileged community as well. So I'm not, you know, of north.

of the entirety of human being and what they're experiencing on a daily basis in terms of nutrition, in terms of food, in terms of clothing, in terms of warmth, in terms of healthcare, in terms of knowledge and so forth. And that's harder to get. I live in a very privileged community as well. So I'm not, you know, of north.

of the entirety of human being and what they're experiencing on a daily basis in terms of nutrition, in terms of food, in terms of clothing, in terms of warmth, in terms of healthcare, in terms of knowledge and so forth. And that's harder to get. I live in a very privileged community as well. So I'm not, you know, of north.

And so it's important if we're going to look at it holistically, we've got to look at the whole. And we're not the whole here. But we're fine. I mean, we exist here, you know, and nothing wrong with that. But we have to make sure that the, what I say is just like,

And so it's important if we're going to look at it holistically, we've got to look at the whole. And we're not the whole here. But we're fine. I mean, we exist here, you know, and nothing wrong with that. But we have to make sure that the, what I say is just like,

And so it's important if we're going to look at it holistically, we've got to look at the whole. And we're not the whole here. But we're fine. I mean, we exist here, you know, and nothing wrong with that. But we have to make sure that the, what I say is just like,

We have to, we have to, another way I say it is like, it's almost like we've gone down this road, whether on foot or whatever, but of degeneration and on every level, our seas, our water, our health, I mean, levels of disease. I mean, air quality. I mean, the ubiquity of chemicals, pesticides. And you go right down the line. We've gone down this road to degeneration.

We have to, we have to, another way I say it is like, it's almost like we've gone down this road, whether on foot or whatever, but of degeneration and on every level, our seas, our water, our health, I mean, levels of disease. I mean, air quality. I mean, the ubiquity of chemicals, pesticides. And you go right down the line. We've gone down this road to degeneration.

We have to, we have to, another way I say it is like, it's almost like we've gone down this road, whether on foot or whatever, but of degeneration and on every level, our seas, our water, our health, I mean, levels of disease. I mean, air quality. I mean, the ubiquity of chemicals, pesticides. And you go right down the line. We've gone down this road to degeneration.

We can see the end of that road now. That's what we're talking about, both of us. And it's like there's a fence there. Whatever we're driving doesn't go any further. So I think the stage we're at now is like, huh, okay, I get that. Now, do a 180. Look the other way. How do we make this regenerative? Not like, stop that, stop that, you're wrong, don't do that.

We can see the end of that road now. That's what we're talking about, both of us. And it's like there's a fence there. Whatever we're driving doesn't go any further. So I think the stage we're at now is like, huh, okay, I get that. Now, do a 180. Look the other way. How do we make this regenerative? Not like, stop that, stop that, you're wrong, don't do that.

We can see the end of that road now. That's what we're talking about, both of us. And it's like there's a fence there. Whatever we're driving doesn't go any further. So I think the stage we're at now is like, huh, okay, I get that. Now, do a 180. Look the other way. How do we make this regenerative? Not like, stop that, stop that, you're wrong, don't do that.

You know, that's easy to criticize or to blame or to be righteous, right? It doesn't help. But to just look and say, it's the question. It's the question. Hmm, good question. It is a really good question. And I said earlier, and I mean it, the only way and the only path forward for humanity is regeneration. We've gone about as far as we can go this way in terms of degeneration.

You know, that's easy to criticize or to blame or to be righteous, right? It doesn't help. But to just look and say, it's the question. It's the question. Hmm, good question. It is a really good question. And I said earlier, and I mean it, the only way and the only path forward for humanity is regeneration. We've gone about as far as we can go this way in terms of degeneration.

You know, that's easy to criticize or to blame or to be righteous, right? It doesn't help. But to just look and say, it's the question. It's the question. Hmm, good question. It is a really good question. And I said earlier, and I mean it, the only way and the only path forward for humanity is regeneration. We've gone about as far as we can go this way in terms of degeneration.

So that's the simple, you know, axis upon which I think, you know, lives that will make a difference should basically pivot on.

So that's the simple, you know, axis upon which I think, you know, lives that will make a difference should basically pivot on.