Paul Kengor

And he said, the mob is never a Nero.

No, the mob is always a Nero.

It's never a Marcus Aurelius.

And that's what the left is good at.

It's good at organizing mobs.

Yeah, in fact, you're making a great point because Trump most definitely is not an ideologue, right?

Probably not.

And Trump doesn't follow really a specific ideology.

And, you know, other conservatives like Robert Nisbet have said, well, Kirk, you're overdoing it, right?

Conservatism is an ideology, right?

We get what you mean about ideologies for ideologues and ideologues are unloved.

All right, we got it.

But it's about a system of ideas, so you would really call it a modern political ideology.

And in that sense, Reagan was a conservative in terms of ideology.

But Donald Trump is kind of outside of ideology, right?

He actually brags about not reading much.

I don't know that he reads much.

National Review.

He probably doesn't read National Review at all.

I think he reads our magazine, The American Spectator, every now and then.