Paul Rosolie

We've survived the logging blitz.

And now we might not get killed by the narcos, still to be determined.

Do you have to travel with security?

Yeah.

That's the thing that sucks.

In the old days, I'd be barefoot driving my boat up the river for five hours.

And now I have to have five or six guys with me at all times.

I don't think in our river, I don't think there's any sort of corporate thing.

The mining, again, it's artisanal.

It's these groups, it's these bands of people that go out and they have nothing.

And so you really, you start out to protect the animals and then you zoom out to protect the forest.

And then you realize that if you don't help the people, you're never going to get anywhere.

And so it's the same thing in Africa.

These people are like, I want to save the elephants.

And they realize...

Well, the most effective way to do that is to work with farmers and their crops to make sure that these elephants aren't coming in and causing the conflict.

So you really, it ends up being a human problem.

Think about it.

These ecosystems, they're not in danger.

Tigers aren't going to just jump off a cliff and go extinct.