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Paul Rouse

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The Rest Is History
The Fascist World Cup: Mussolini's Football Dictatorship

Now, there had been soccer played from the 1890s, and you're right, it's the story of expats and traders and soldiers and sailors bringing it wherever they went.

The Rest Is History
The Fascist World Cup: Mussolini's Football Dictatorship

But it's also the story of Italians who went to work in England.

The Rest Is History
The Fascist World Cup: Mussolini's Football Dictatorship

So you see some of the main people, we'll see it with Pozzo, the great Italian manager of the 30s.

The Rest Is History
The Fascist World Cup: Mussolini's Football Dictatorship

He loved the game and he got it because he was sent by his family textile trade to work in the north of England.

The Rest Is History
The Fascist World Cup: Mussolini's Football Dictatorship

He ended up befriending Manchester United players and managers.

The Rest Is History
The Fascist World Cup: Mussolini's Football Dictatorship

But that connection of commerce and of finance, of trade is important.

The Rest Is History
The Fascist World Cup: Mussolini's Football Dictatorship

And you get an anglophilia of people who just think England is the most modern country in the world.

The Rest Is History
The Fascist World Cup: Mussolini's Football Dictatorship

We'll adopt the game.

The Rest Is History
The Fascist World Cup: Mussolini's Football Dictatorship

And then there's the joy of playing.

The Rest Is History
The Fascist World Cup: Mussolini's Football Dictatorship

So you had the first clubs in the 1890s and before the war, you had Italian clubs being established, playing games with each other, hugely influenced by England.

The Rest Is History
The Fascist World Cup: Mussolini's Football Dictatorship

But after the 1920s, you had an explosion of interest in the game.

The Rest Is History
The Fascist World Cup: Mussolini's Football Dictatorship

You get the broader commercialization with the building of grounds because such was the interest in people, not just playing, but also now watching others play.

The Rest Is History
The Fascist World Cup: Mussolini's Football Dictatorship

And crucially, the identification of clubs

The Rest Is History
The Fascist World Cup: Mussolini's Football Dictatorship

with areas and with towns and with cities.

The Rest Is History
The Fascist World Cup: Mussolini's Football Dictatorship

And it became a matter of civic pride to have a decent team to represent you, to compete in the championship.

The Rest Is History
The Fascist World Cup: Mussolini's Football Dictatorship

And what Mussolini did was to oversee through his men who were out into various organizations was to essentially

The Rest Is History
The Fascist World Cup: Mussolini's Football Dictatorship

take control of Italian soccer by organizing the establishment in no particular order of the amalgamation of some clubs in some cities so they would have a really strong presence.

The Rest Is History
The Fascist World Cup: Mussolini's Football Dictatorship

Number two, the establishment of an Italian league.

The Rest Is History
The Fascist World Cup: Mussolini's Football Dictatorship

Number three,

The Rest Is History
The Fascist World Cup: Mussolini's Football Dictatorship

the devotion of greater focus to the Italian national team.