Paul Stamets

Keep moving.

But the India thing is nuts because it's also in these areas where a lot of the stuff that people buy that's inexpensive in America is being manufactured.

And these factories whose the back of the factory opens to this river and this river is completely choked with plastic and garbage and just junk and all the stuff that they don't want.

They just throw into the river and there's so much stuff in the river that I guess they just feel like, well, it's not like I'm polluting something that's not already polluted.

I'm just adding to whatever is there.

This is just what we do.

And so they've developed this culture of like constant, consistent pollution.

I wanted to talk to you about something that you said earlier because you were talking about human species and – or species and love and cooperation and all the different things.

And I said uniquely with us, yes, love and random acts of kindness and community are incredibly important.

But what do you think – why do you think we're so different than all the other species on the planet?

Do you think that psilocybin – do you subscribe to McKenna's theory?

I know we've probably talked about this before.

As a standalone podcast, this is probably – Joe, this is what I like.

Well, that's also what happens when you abandon the ego, right?

The ego is consistently abandoned through psychedelic experiences.

You're much more likely to laugh at yourself.

Unquestionably, right?

The diminishing of stress.

And this is why clinical benefits physiologically.

Well, let's, in an effort to make this a standalone podcast, let's explain what we're talking about, because what we're talking about is Terence's stoned ape theory.