Paul Stamets

when automation takes over, when AI and automation take over and so many people are not working anymore.

And we both kind of agree that universal basic income is really the only way to mitigate the disastrous effects of people losing their income, losing their jobs.

And I think it's a good thing.

But the problem with universal basic income is that just giving people a check, they don't have meaning anymore.

They don't feel like they have a purpose.

They don't feel like they have an identity.

If your whole life you've been X, whatever the job is that gets taken away, and you recognize you're being really good at your job and you take pride in that and you're known by your coworkers, it's like –

Hey, go to Paul.

He's the best.

He'll take care of it.

He knows what he's doing.

Then all of a sudden, that job disappears.

How do people find value and how do they switch their perspective?

And talking to you today I think is perfect because I think if there's anything that could help us through this journey.

that could help people make this transition, which appears to be inevitable, where artificial intelligence is going to do a far better job at a lot of menial tasks that people have been doing for an occupation for a long time, to find a search for meaning, to find some other way to realize value in life.

And not just to be a cog in the wheel of this capitalist society, but instead...

Maybe psilocybin would allow people to completely change their perspective of how they exist in this world.

And that you've been kind of trapped in this society where it values numbers.

It values a constant growth for the shareholders.

And it values what you can see in your bank account that's like not even real.