Paul Stamets

I think that's a big factor because what they did in the 1970s by, you know, what the Nixon administration did, which is essentially to squash the civil rights movement and the anti-war movement, what they did really fucked up society for a long time.

And it put in people's heads that this is how we're supposed to be, that these laws that are in place make sense and that they're there in order for society to function at its optimal levels.

It's just not true.

And unfortunately, like a lot of things that get that propaganda gets pushed and people start accepting that propaganda as fact, it takes a long time relatively in our lifetimes to sort of recognize that this is not right.

And this is not how we should have been living the entire time.

This is we were trapped.

We were trapped in the system.

And because of the internet and because of conversations and because of people like you that talk about this openly and many, many others as well, we're all contributing to this base of knowledge where people are in their car right now sort of reconsidering their perspective.

They're at the gym right now on the treadmill thinking about this going, yeah, why do we allow these human beings that have never had these experiences to tell us that these experiences are not just not allowed, but if you get caught

with these things, you'll be put in a cage.

I think interacting with nature is a vitamin.

You know how we get vitamin D from the sun?

I think we get something that hasn't been measured yet from interacting with nature.

We know that you can actually study an alleviation of stress levels from people that go out into nature.

And this thing that we're experiencing, we just don't know how to measure it.

And I think it's a real thing.

One of the things that makes me very happy and hopeful now is that you're seeing this...

this openness to psychedelics that's coming from more right-wing people and it was always a thing of the left it was always a thing of hippies and and it was dismissed by people on the right as people that were trying to avoid reality they were trying to you know escape reality they couldn't handle reality they weren't disciplined they weren't you know if they were

hardworking people they wouldn't be wasting their time getting high on drugs there's that thought i think one of the bridges to that is the benefit that it's had for soldiers for soldiers and for people that are first responders people that suffer from ptsd and that has trickled down into the general population of the people on the right which is how you get a guy like rick perry

There's all the sort of becoming this very strong advocate for Ibogaine and having it passed in Texas.