Paul Stamets

But I can— I don't know if it's a non-admission.

I think in his case, he wanted to be objective, so he wanted to study these things without being— He's worried about being labeled as someone who's promoting them because they like it.

Yeah.

Rick Strassman had an interesting perspective on that, too.

When I first met him, he was very reluctant to talk about DMT experiences that he had personally because he had run those FDA studies that were documented in DMT, the spirit molecule, the book.

And then they're reluctant to talk about it because of the illegality of it, unfortunately.

And if you have a job that is where you have to be taken seriously –

Yeah.

Note to everyone right now.

Note to everyone.

All conflicts involve two or more people.

It's not just this is the only way to react to something.

It's how you react, how they react to your reaction.

There's a cascading effect.

Yeah, that's the perspective we should all have, and that's the thing that we should all strive for.

Be the best version of you that you can be.

And we've all made terrible mistakes in the past, but the idea is to have learned from them and to be a better person because of that.

We're in a positive direction.

I couldn't agree more.

That's a good way to end this.