Payton Moreland

Charlotte's here during all of this. So the next question is, what was she doing? So police realize this and they have a theory. They're like Carrie and Lloyd went to Michelle's house together to kill her that night. Something Lloyd was already banking on pulling off when he failed to appear in court earlier that day. The tricky part now is getting either one of them to confess.

Charlotte's here during all of this. So the next question is, what was she doing? So police realize this and they have a theory. They're like Carrie and Lloyd went to Michelle's house together to kill her that night. Something Lloyd was already banking on pulling off when he failed to appear in court earlier that day. The tricky part now is getting either one of them to confess.

Charlotte's here during all of this. So the next question is, what was she doing? So police realize this and they have a theory. They're like Carrie and Lloyd went to Michelle's house together to kill her that night. Something Lloyd was already banking on pulling off when he failed to appear in court earlier that day. The tricky part now is getting either one of them to confess.

Especially with how little evidence there was to prove this was a homicide. And again, where was Charlotte? So around September 2017, about a month after Michelle's death, police decide to go ahead and put a wiretap on Carrie and Lloyd's phone. And they start listening in on their conversations. Now, at first, they aren't giving them much to go off of.

Especially with how little evidence there was to prove this was a homicide. And again, where was Charlotte? So around September 2017, about a month after Michelle's death, police decide to go ahead and put a wiretap on Carrie and Lloyd's phone. And they start listening in on their conversations. Now, at first, they aren't giving them much to go off of.

Especially with how little evidence there was to prove this was a homicide. And again, where was Charlotte? So around September 2017, about a month after Michelle's death, police decide to go ahead and put a wiretap on Carrie and Lloyd's phone. And they start listening in on their conversations. Now, at first, they aren't giving them much to go off of.

The conversations are pretty day-to-day stuff. How's school? How's things going? Nothing for police to get them on. So in November, police decide to sort of up the ante. They do something called tickling the wire.

The conversations are pretty day-to-day stuff. How's school? How's things going? Nothing for police to get them on. So in November, police decide to sort of up the ante. They do something called tickling the wire.

The conversations are pretty day-to-day stuff. How's school? How's things going? Nothing for police to get them on. So in November, police decide to sort of up the ante. They do something called tickling the wire.

One of the investigators on Michelle's case calls Carrie to deliberately put her on edge. Basically saying, like, we need to meet up with you in person soon. We have a few things we need to talk to you about. When can you come down to the station? Carrie's like, oh, sure. I'll be there Monday afternoon. The investigator's like, yep, see ya. They hang up. Seconds later, Carrie calls her father.

One of the investigators on Michelle's case calls Carrie to deliberately put her on edge. Basically saying, like, we need to meet up with you in person soon. We have a few things we need to talk to you about. When can you come down to the station? Carrie's like, oh, sure. I'll be there Monday afternoon. The investigator's like, yep, see ya. They hang up. Seconds later, Carrie calls her father.

One of the investigators on Michelle's case calls Carrie to deliberately put her on edge. Basically saying, like, we need to meet up with you in person soon. We have a few things we need to talk to you about. When can you come down to the station? Carrie's like, oh, sure. I'll be there Monday afternoon. The investigator's like, yep, see ya. They hang up. Seconds later, Carrie calls her father.

Takes the bait, hook, line, and sinker. And when Lloyd picks up, it's clear that Carrie is panicking. She says, what do I do? Now, at first, Lloyd's like, look, it's probably just standard procedure. Don't worry. But halfway through the conversation, he starts to sort of panic. He tells Carrie, actually, just don't go in and speak with them. He even comes up with an excuse for her.

Takes the bait, hook, line, and sinker. And when Lloyd picks up, it's clear that Carrie is panicking. She says, what do I do? Now, at first, Lloyd's like, look, it's probably just standard procedure. Don't worry. But halfway through the conversation, he starts to sort of panic. He tells Carrie, actually, just don't go in and speak with them. He even comes up with an excuse for her.

Takes the bait, hook, line, and sinker. And when Lloyd picks up, it's clear that Carrie is panicking. She says, what do I do? Now, at first, Lloyd's like, look, it's probably just standard procedure. Don't worry. But halfway through the conversation, he starts to sort of panic. He tells Carrie, actually, just don't go in and speak with them. He even comes up with an excuse for her.

Tell them you have to have a counseling appointment back in New Jersey. It's going to be hard to squeeze it in. Then he asks Carrie something really weird. He says, can you cry? Meaning over the phone when she calls detectives back, can she fake some tears? And Carrie says, I might, which is just bonkers. Then they talk a bit more about what the investigators might want.

Tell them you have to have a counseling appointment back in New Jersey. It's going to be hard to squeeze it in. Then he asks Carrie something really weird. He says, can you cry? Meaning over the phone when she calls detectives back, can she fake some tears? And Carrie says, I might, which is just bonkers. Then they talk a bit more about what the investigators might want.

Tell them you have to have a counseling appointment back in New Jersey. It's going to be hard to squeeze it in. Then he asks Carrie something really weird. He says, can you cry? Meaning over the phone when she calls detectives back, can she fake some tears? And Carrie says, I might, which is just bonkers. Then they talk a bit more about what the investigators might want.

And Lloyd reassures her if they were planning to arrest them, they'd have just stormed in with a warrant, not asked her to come down for a quick conversation. I can tell you one thing. It doesn't seem like Carrie makes it into the police station that Monday. So in January of 2018, police devise one more plan to try and get the two to confess.

And Lloyd reassures her if they were planning to arrest them, they'd have just stormed in with a warrant, not asked her to come down for a quick conversation. I can tell you one thing. It doesn't seem like Carrie makes it into the police station that Monday. So in January of 2018, police devise one more plan to try and get the two to confess.