Penn Badgley

I mean, that's a great question because it was it was the struggle. You know, The difference between... There are many differences between film and television. One of them is that when you do a film, you do it once. And you kind of give it your all. And then you move on, whether you want to or not. You do. When you do a television show, you are... You're doing it constantly.

I mean, that's a great question because it was it was the struggle. You know, The difference between... There are many differences between film and television. One of them is that when you do a film, you do it once. And you kind of give it your all. And then you move on, whether you want to or not. You do. When you do a television show, you are... You're doing it constantly.

Because of the nature of that show and because of celebrity culture at that time, especially, it was like, you know, I remember like, you know, suddenly the influx of interviews being asked about, like, I remember doing something for, you know, Cosmo Girl or something. That's a thing, right?

Because of the nature of that show and because of celebrity culture at that time, especially, it was like, you know, I remember like, you know, suddenly the influx of interviews being asked about, like, I remember doing something for, you know, Cosmo Girl or something. That's a thing, right?

Because of the nature of that show and because of celebrity culture at that time, especially, it was like, you know, I remember like, you know, suddenly the influx of interviews being asked about, like, I remember doing something for, you know, Cosmo Girl or something. That's a thing, right?

Is it? Is it?

Is it? Is it?

Is it? Is it?

Like Teen Vogue had just come out. You know what I mean? Like I remember doing interviews for those kinds of publications and being asked about like, you know, dating advice or like, by the way, like think I've been on one date in my life, like spent most of my time just sort of either in a relationship or not. And I remember just the feeling of,

Like Teen Vogue had just come out. You know what I mean? Like I remember doing interviews for those kinds of publications and being asked about like, you know, dating advice or like, by the way, like think I've been on one date in my life, like spent most of my time just sort of either in a relationship or not. And I remember just the feeling of,

Like Teen Vogue had just come out. You know what I mean? Like I remember doing interviews for those kinds of publications and being asked about like, you know, dating advice or like, by the way, like think I've been on one date in my life, like spent most of my time just sort of either in a relationship or not. And I remember just the feeling of,

But it's this thing, you feel like you're constantly, even though no one may be actually asking you to do this, you feel like you're constantly needing to prove yourself in some manner. Otherwise, what are you doing? I mean, what is the space?

But it's this thing, you feel like you're constantly, even though no one may be actually asking you to do this, you feel like you're constantly needing to prove yourself in some manner. Otherwise, what are you doing? I mean, what is the space?

But it's this thing, you feel like you're constantly, even though no one may be actually asking you to do this, you feel like you're constantly needing to prove yourself in some manner. Otherwise, what are you doing? I mean, what is the space?

This kind of thing has evolved over the course of however long, but we didn't have podcasts like this back then where you could explore things at length and depth. they were looking for a quick soundbite and it was just like, it was just like, uh-huh, okay, yeah, all right, okay, all right, uh-huh. It's like, you don't, interfacing in that space

This kind of thing has evolved over the course of however long, but we didn't have podcasts like this back then where you could explore things at length and depth. they were looking for a quick soundbite and it was just like, it was just like, uh-huh, okay, yeah, all right, okay, all right, uh-huh. It's like, you don't, interfacing in that space

This kind of thing has evolved over the course of however long, but we didn't have podcasts like this back then where you could explore things at length and depth. they were looking for a quick soundbite and it was just like, it was just like, uh-huh, okay, yeah, all right, okay, all right, uh-huh. It's like, you don't, interfacing in that space

can actually feel really crazy and you suddenly feel the need to perform and you're just like, why can't I just say something fucking normal? And so what starts to happen when you're in this one role for a long time, the aspect of celebrity being a part of it, a huge part of it, There is not enough separation, I think, for anybody.

can actually feel really crazy and you suddenly feel the need to perform and you're just like, why can't I just say something fucking normal? And so what starts to happen when you're in this one role for a long time, the aspect of celebrity being a part of it, a huge part of it, There is not enough separation, I think, for anybody.

can actually feel really crazy and you suddenly feel the need to perform and you're just like, why can't I just say something fucking normal? And so what starts to happen when you're in this one role for a long time, the aspect of celebrity being a part of it, a huge part of it, There is not enough separation, I think, for anybody.