Penn Badgley

Like Teen Vogue had just come out. You know what I mean? Like I remember doing interviews for those kinds of publications and being asked about like, you know, dating advice or like, by the way, like think I've been on one date in my life, like spent most of my time just sort of either in a relationship or not. And I remember just the feeling of,

But it's this thing, you feel like you're constantly, even though no one may be actually asking you to do this, you feel like you're constantly needing to prove yourself in some manner. Otherwise, what are you doing? I mean, what is the space?

But it's this thing, you feel like you're constantly, even though no one may be actually asking you to do this, you feel like you're constantly needing to prove yourself in some manner. Otherwise, what are you doing? I mean, what is the space?

But it's this thing, you feel like you're constantly, even though no one may be actually asking you to do this, you feel like you're constantly needing to prove yourself in some manner. Otherwise, what are you doing? I mean, what is the space?

This kind of thing has evolved over the course of however long, but we didn't have podcasts like this back then where you could explore things at length and depth. they were looking for a quick soundbite and it was just like, it was just like, uh-huh, okay, yeah, all right, okay, all right, uh-huh. It's like, you don't, interfacing in that space

This kind of thing has evolved over the course of however long, but we didn't have podcasts like this back then where you could explore things at length and depth. they were looking for a quick soundbite and it was just like, it was just like, uh-huh, okay, yeah, all right, okay, all right, uh-huh. It's like, you don't, interfacing in that space

This kind of thing has evolved over the course of however long, but we didn't have podcasts like this back then where you could explore things at length and depth. they were looking for a quick soundbite and it was just like, it was just like, uh-huh, okay, yeah, all right, okay, all right, uh-huh. It's like, you don't, interfacing in that space

can actually feel really crazy and you suddenly feel the need to perform and you're just like, why can't I just say something fucking normal? And so what starts to happen when you're in this one role for a long time, the aspect of celebrity being a part of it, a huge part of it, There is not enough separation, I think, for anybody.

can actually feel really crazy and you suddenly feel the need to perform and you're just like, why can't I just say something fucking normal? And so what starts to happen when you're in this one role for a long time, the aspect of celebrity being a part of it, a huge part of it, There is not enough separation, I think, for anybody.

can actually feel really crazy and you suddenly feel the need to perform and you're just like, why can't I just say something fucking normal? And so what starts to happen when you're in this one role for a long time, the aspect of celebrity being a part of it, a huge part of it, There is not enough separation, I think, for anybody.

You're seen as this person, you're called their name out on the street. You also constantly have to be that person at work. And I was 20, I was 21, 22, so I didn't have the emotional maturity to understand, to how to differentiate myself, just in terms of self-worth. What people seem to think of Dan seemed to be what people thought of me.

You're seen as this person, you're called their name out on the street. You also constantly have to be that person at work. And I was 20, I was 21, 22, so I didn't have the emotional maturity to understand, to how to differentiate myself, just in terms of self-worth. What people seem to think of Dan seemed to be what people thought of me.

You're seen as this person, you're called their name out on the street. You also constantly have to be that person at work. And I was 20, I was 21, 22, so I didn't have the emotional maturity to understand, to how to differentiate myself, just in terms of self-worth. What people seem to think of Dan seemed to be what people thought of me.

And now I had enough sense, enough intelligence, enough self-worth, enough just, you know, like I wasn't like losing myself. But it bothered me.

And now I had enough sense, enough intelligence, enough self-worth, enough just, you know, like I wasn't like losing myself. But it bothered me.

And now I had enough sense, enough intelligence, enough self-worth, enough just, you know, like I wasn't like losing myself. But it bothered me.

Definitely.

Definitely.

Definitely.

Okay so going back to what we said earlier about uh uh That need for intimacy and really wanting a love that transcends the body, truly. I mean, that's what we all want. But never had an approach. I've had a handful of long relationships. And that's about the extent of it. I really did not date. Tried, found it. Not... What's the word? I don't even know. I mean, fulfilling, satisfying.