Penny Pijnenberg

And the other gap is, and I've seen this with my mother, is because of medication and treatments and the protocol for the doctors that you probably know better, but also in the homes, is they will try and keep you alive as long as possible.

But I've also thought about to what extent, you know, looking at my, again, at my mother, the amount of medications she was taking.

taken for all these different diseases and symptoms.

And she was prescribed medication for the side effects of other, you know.

That whole, what I was saying earlier, like this whole project manager mind that I think is anyway lacking in a lot of industries.

But also, so I was a caretaker for my mother in the last few years of her life and her palliative care.

phase and I've also gotten a lot of experience and insights and besides hormones, I'm also trying to raise a little bit of awareness about that.

And again, I'm seeing, I don't know how it is here in Great Britain, but in the Netherlands, they're saying about 5 million people are caretakers.

And a lot of people have to take care also and work their job.

And I bet, and I think I don't have statistics, but the majority is women.

But let's say even if it is equal, I think it's more, but...

Let's say that's still two and a half million.

You want to make sure women are healthy.

And also you want to make sure, because the other discussion, which I think is the same here, everybody's saying the health care system is collapsing.

Too many people are aging.

And it's a blind spot.

So we need people to stay healthy.

Also, we need people to work for the economy.

We need people to take care.

And we have a health care system that's collapsing.