Peter Attia

That's like telling a kid they only need to study algebra 10 minutes a day if they want to master it.

This is important, David.

I'm sorry to interrupt.

I want to tie this back to the discussion we had around disclosures.

There's sort of a reason that virtually everybody in nutrition science is taking some money from food industry.

Now, there are someone who works at the NIH who is funded entirely at the NIH.

Kevin obviously doesn't need ... Is Kevin back at the NIH, by the way?

Not to my knowledge.

Okay, anyway.

But most everybody who's at a university is cobbling together money from both the government and industry.

That's demonstrated by the belt and suspenders bootstrapping approach that comes into nutrition science studies, which are not well funded.

So maybe just explain why is it that it's easy to fund a pharma study with 60,000 people in it?

And it's hard to get the funding to study 600 people in a nutrition study.

To your point...

If you're willing to spend, let's say it's 2 billion today, 3 billion, whatever the number is, 10 years and a couple billion dollars is an enormous investment.

But if you can recoup it, it's worth it.

How do you recoup that in nutrition science?

You don't.

What about the saturated, the high saturated fat and the trans fat?

They were the worst.