Peter Gray

And that kind of changed the direction of my career.

So it's interesting.

The staff members at the school, and by the way, my son is now a staff member there.

So the staff members at the school don't call themselves teachers.

And the reason they don't

is they believe that they don't do any more teaching than anybody else does.

They believe that learning comes from conversations, from all sorts of experiences.

So they don't call themselves teachers but

There are times when they teach and those times are when they are asked to the most common teaching occurs when there's a group of kids at a certain time of year, who are planning to go on to college to higher education.

and uh you know they they have no records there's no grades there's no this the school refuses to rank people they have say we have no basis for ranking you know so and so is the best fisherman but you know so they know they have to be able to do well on the sat tests if there are sat tests so they will start deliberately preparing for that and they may ask for help so that would be one

instance, actually the most common instance, where you see something that actually looks like school going on.

Yes, so what I found was that a very high percentage went on to college, and they didn't seem to have any difficulty getting in, even though on paper they hadn't satisfied what the colleges say you have to do to go there.

But they got in.

They wrote wonderful essays.

They tend to be really good interviewers because they're not afraid of adults.

If they're going to college, they have a good reason to go and they're able to articulate that.

And I think all of that helped a lot.

We also, for those who went on to college, I asked them, so how was it?

And some of them said, yeah, you know, if I took a biology course, I'd never taken a biology course before.

I'd never read a biology textbook.