Peter Gubb

But after a few years off, I come back and think, oh yeah, maybe I need a very, some of the stuff that I do, like give the defense a different look so they can't.

start throwing a cutout ball.

That's a new one, eh?

But only right to left, though.

I wasn't big, fast, strong.

I was just fast.

But I remember it was a Friday night, and it might have been raining.

My dad came home with two pairs of – I was seven, Charlie was six, whatever, maybe a year younger – and came home with two brand-new pairs of high-tech boots.

We didn't play rugby at the time.

And he goes, oh, tomorrow you're playing for my mate Duncan DeMette's footy team, like the Wellington Axemen.

And then we ended up playing there until –

school boys but I was like seven playing under sixes playing in Charlie's grade yeah and then it got to under eights or whatever and he had to step up to my grade but like I do remember scoring heaps of tries until like under 12 and then puberty just got left behind yeah went to Wellington College I was saying to you before qualified for the school sports day ninth and the 100 meter final used to usually winning yeah you go to a school of 300 boys come ninth

No good.

But then just hung in there.

Reality check for you at that age, was it?

Fuck, it was.

But I reckon when you're young, like you don't, just because everything's new, you don't have the runs on the board and you don't believe the old people's wisdom.

Like, so you just get a little bit down on yourself.

But like looking back,

Should have been listening to Chris Wells the whole time, the triple jump coach.