Peter Gubb

Like, maybe he's not completely with some of the language.

Like, do you know what I mean?

Because you have to be gentle with your language.

But maybe he doesn't understand.

It's not a conversation between, like, him and so-and-so because everyone can see it.

Yeah.

But generational.

But, like, as my dad said, when you're doing, like –

Because when I got back into footy and like I was just grinding away, like earning reasonable money, doing like gardening and that.

And then like listen to some podcasts and then it touches on it again in another podcast.

And you think like, okay, yeah, like guys, they need a purpose.

Provide for your family.

Like they need hobbies.

And I think, man, I haven't really been doing any of my hobbies.

So I went surfing like eight weekends in a row.

I'm not good.

I can stand up and go to one side for a little bit.

And I was, like, the first surf I was, like, hooked.

And then, like, did it, like, eight weekends in a row and then started playing footy.

And my life got, like, way happier.