Peter Jones

So they're always thinking in terms that will relate to the ordinary person in a situation.

Yeah, I think, but having said that, I can't think of a single human situation where these aren't relevant.

They kind of, they map onto anything.

I mean...

Reid Hoffman, the founder of LinkedIn, made a speech where he talks about Silicon Valley thrives on the seven deadly sins.

And he said, every great app, every great product that Silicon Valley develops, it's going to be great if it maps onto one of these sins, if it exploits it.

We could give examples, but...

Oh, absolutely.

I think at their worst, you know, this is a tool to sort of, you know, hit people with, you know, and some, you know, there's bad theology out there.

There are texts that say, you know, you should live completely without, you know, ego or completely without, you know, anger, you know, best to just, you know, fight these things and eradicate them.

And then punishing people, yeah, there'll be penances that you have to do.

Okay, right, you were too angry, here's your penance.

But generally, no, the thing that strikes me is that those are in the minority, those kind of extremist kind of texts.

The majority of texts are really understanding and compassionate.

I think Dante died in 1321, didn't he?

Dante's Purgatoria puts it best.

In Dante's Commedia, which goes through hell, purgatory and heaven,

Who gets straight to paradise?

Only the saints, really.

The rest of us, okay, so the worst people go to hell, the people who don't recognize their sins, the people who just are there saying, yes, I did terrible things, but it wasn't my fault.