Peter Jones

It really is.

Black Death.

Yeah.

No, so they needed a break.

Did they need to hit themselves over the head with the seven deadly sins?

No, I think that's why they're so compassionate.

They needed the compassion of the system.

I think that's what I've tried to say in my book, Self-Help from the Middle Ages, that you can use this system as a compassionate system to sort of forgive yourself in many ways and see the process of, for example, fighting your ego or fighting your...

And good luck, by the way, on Friday.

Good luck.

But I think Arcadia is a good example of that.

If the fourth deadly sin is really burnout, depression, and all of these other things, it's one of the seven.

And you're making confession every year.

That means everyone in Europe, you know, every Christian in Europe, rather, is talking about these things and reflecting on them and being told that this is normal.

This is a normal part of humanity to feel this way and this way.

So they're not framing it as a mental illness or something like this.

They're framing it as just an ordinary part of being human.

No, it's case by case, but generally speaking, the answer they come up with by the late 1200s is to moderate and to recognize when you've gone beyond what is social.

So, for example, ego, we start with pride, right?

You know...