Peter Jones

As we can discuss, throughout the Middle Ages, I think this wasn't the model that really survives best.

The model that survives best is a really compassionate model, which is accepting these things.

Okay, we all feel these temptations.

How do we moderate them and make them work for us to do something better for other people?

How do we kind of sculpt and tame these tempting thoughts into something that works for a wider community?

Oh, I absolutely do.

I think it really works.

I mean, like you say, I recognise them all in myself all the time.

And I cannot open a newspaper without seeing, you know, everything scans onto one of the deadly sins.

I can't find a single species of human, you know...

wrongdoing or whatever, or, you know, even right doing that doesn't, you know, come back to one of these seven things.

I see them as the periodic table of the mind.

I think they diagnose this kind of periodic table of desire and impulse that still stands up and still works.

Yeah.

Okay, so it's pride at the top, always number one, the worst of the deadly sins.

Is that number one?

Always number one, yes.

Pride is the root cause of all other sin.

Because what?

Because pride is turning away from other people.