Peter Jones

And he added envy.

So envy wasn't there before.

And it's interesting, these early desert monks, if you're far enough away from your neighbor that you can't really see their facial expressions, you can see why for Evagrius, envy wasn't a big part of his life.

No, no, no, exactly.

Whereas Sadness, he had two of those.

So it's kind of interesting.

Well, at first, it's a curio.

You know, it's an academic thing.

Okay.

But for Gregory, he's trying to do this.

It's this enormous work, the Moralia and Job.

It's just this massive, massive, cumbersome work, actually, if we're honest.

If we're critical with Gregory, sorry.

He's going, it's like an encyclopedia.

He's going through every possible approach.

And he is trying to write something which can be like, yeah, an encyclopedia for priests to find something, to pick and grab and choose little bits that will be useful in preaching or talking to their flock.

It's true.

But it doesn't really get going until the sort of late 10 hundreds, with what we call the Gregorian reform, which is this process.

This is when priests, theologians get really serious, popes especially, get really serious about the mission of the church, which is to reform society as a whole.

One historian, Jonathan Riley Smith, I think described it as,