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Peter S. Goodman

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535 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

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The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

Eventually, I was able to persuade Chris Pruitt and other executives at East Penn to talk to us.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

Well, he said that our reporting had caused him to do a lot more thinking that he'd previously done about the origins of the lead and that previously he had talked to trading companies like Trafigura and had said, you know, I need this particular purification.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

And, oh, by the way, of course, you're guaranteeing that this is not causing social or environmental problems.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

Oh, no, of course not.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

The trading company would say, you know, we have audit processes.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

You know, all this is good.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

Okay, then, just as long as you can deliver the quantity and the purity that we need at the guaranteed price, all good.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

And since our reporting, he'd actually dug into his own supply chain, had become concerned about the process of due diligence the trading companies were doing.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

And as he put it,

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

out of the utmost of caution, decided that he didn't want to buy any more lead from Nigeria.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

So I did ask him at one point about moral culpability.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

And I said, well, given that we now know that Trafagura's due diligence leaves a lot to be desired and we can see with our own eyes and

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

what was playing out in these villages next to these smelters.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

Where do you fit in terms of the moral culpability for this?

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

And he said, look, you know, was I too trusting?

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

I'll take that shot.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

What did you make of that?

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

I thought that summed up the reality of complicated supply chains.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

There's so much sort of

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

plausible deniability built in that any given participant can say plausibly, oh, I thought somebody else was looking out.