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Peter S. Goodman

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535 total appearances

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The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

So it seems pretty clear that whatever...

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

was said in the room with the heads of these smelters, there is no enforceable document that compels these companies to do anything differently anytime soon.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

And when I was back on the ground talking to workers at these smelters, what they said is, oh, yeah, now they're giving us safety goggles.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

They didn't used to do that.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

Oh, they used to give us gloves once a week.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

Now they're giving them to us twice a week.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

I mean, what has to happen at these plants is they have to put in serious emission controls.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

And it's going to cost millions of dollars.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

If they put in battery-breaking equipment, that's going to cost millions of dollars.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

This is not something that's going to be fixed with a bunch of gloves and goggles.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

I think there are serious reasons to doubt that that positive outcome will happen for the simple reason that the incentives that created this situation that we've been reporting on have not changed.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

And those incentives are...

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

You have large brands like East Penn that actually make lots of batteries under other brands.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

So it's not as if a consumer can go off to the battery store and say, don't give me one of those East Penn batteries.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

There are lots of others that they make for other brands.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

We also know that Nigeria is hardly alone as being a country where there are large numbers of people who are desperate enough to

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

just to figure out how to get dinner on the table tonight, that they will accept horrific pollution.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

I mean, not that the people in the communities want the pollution.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

They're horrified by the pollution.

The Daily
The ‘Clean’ Technology That’s Poisoning People

But in terms of the situation for the policymakers, for the environmental regulators,