Peter Savodnik

And there's a reason, I think, that it's easy to get behind Bhattacharya, who may have a lot of the same opinions about vaccines or the institutions that RFK does. But there's something profoundly different between the way he thinks and the way RFK Jr. thinks. And I wonder if we can talk about that, because that seems to me to be the critical issue here.

And there's a reason, I think, that it's easy to get behind Bhattacharya, who may have a lot of the same opinions about vaccines or the institutions that RFK does. But there's something profoundly different between the way he thinks and the way RFK Jr. thinks. And I wonder if we can talk about that, because that seems to me to be the critical issue here.

And there's a reason, I think, that it's easy to get behind Bhattacharya, who may have a lot of the same opinions about vaccines or the institutions that RFK does. But there's something profoundly different between the way he thinks and the way RFK Jr. thinks. And I wonder if we can talk about that, because that seems to me to be the critical issue here.

We can bring in people who are eager to reform or rethink certain conventional wisdoms or orthodoxies, but at the same time who are wise and knowledgeable and credentialed and who don't seem as if they're fueled by some kind of grand conspiracy theory.

We can bring in people who are eager to reform or rethink certain conventional wisdoms or orthodoxies, but at the same time who are wise and knowledgeable and credentialed and who don't seem as if they're fueled by some kind of grand conspiracy theory.

We can bring in people who are eager to reform or rethink certain conventional wisdoms or orthodoxies, but at the same time who are wise and knowledgeable and credentialed and who don't seem as if they're fueled by some kind of grand conspiracy theory.

But I mean, to me, like this is like emblematic of a larger tension or issue in Trump land or the kind of Trump apprehension of the universe. There are the smart, thoughtful, ponderous, serious people who often come to the same conclusions as the kind of trolly people who seem like their political chum. The point of which is just to kind of get everyone talking.

But I mean, to me, like this is like emblematic of a larger tension or issue in Trump land or the kind of Trump apprehension of the universe. There are the smart, thoughtful, ponderous, serious people who often come to the same conclusions as the kind of trolly people who seem like their political chum. The point of which is just to kind of get everyone talking.

But I mean, to me, like this is like emblematic of a larger tension or issue in Trump land or the kind of Trump apprehension of the universe. There are the smart, thoughtful, ponderous, serious people who often come to the same conclusions as the kind of trolly people who seem like their political chum. The point of which is just to kind of get everyone talking.

I mean, that's the game show host apprentice, you know, aspect of this administration, which I think is really unsettling. So- The president could have tapped Tom Cotton to be the secretary of defense. And I think that would have been a much, much more sort of sober and kind of reassuring decision than Pete Hegseth. He could have chosen someone who is sympathetic to RFK Jr.

I mean, that's the game show host apprentice, you know, aspect of this administration, which I think is really unsettling. So- The president could have tapped Tom Cotton to be the secretary of defense. And I think that would have been a much, much more sort of sober and kind of reassuring decision than Pete Hegseth. He could have chosen someone who is sympathetic to RFK Jr.

I mean, that's the game show host apprentice, you know, aspect of this administration, which I think is really unsettling. So- The president could have tapped Tom Cotton to be the secretary of defense. And I think that would have been a much, much more sort of sober and kind of reassuring decision than Pete Hegseth. He could have chosen someone who is sympathetic to RFK Jr.

's distrust of certain, you know, kind of conventional ideas around vaccines, polio, measles, the way that medical research takes place in this country. But he chose somebody who it seems to me it's a trollish kind of decision. It's meant to get people talking about that person as opposed to the issues that that person is supposed to be talking about.

's distrust of certain, you know, kind of conventional ideas around vaccines, polio, measles, the way that medical research takes place in this country. But he chose somebody who it seems to me it's a trollish kind of decision. It's meant to get people talking about that person as opposed to the issues that that person is supposed to be talking about.

's distrust of certain, you know, kind of conventional ideas around vaccines, polio, measles, the way that medical research takes place in this country. But he chose somebody who it seems to me it's a trollish kind of decision. It's meant to get people talking about that person as opposed to the issues that that person is supposed to be talking about.

And I wonder, like, why is there this tension, right? It would be so smart to my mind, again, to pick the smart, thoughtful people who care about these issues in the way that the president does and wants to rethink things in a fundamental way but isn't a troll, isn't sort of an insult in a way to the institutions.

And I wonder, like, why is there this tension, right? It would be so smart to my mind, again, to pick the smart, thoughtful people who care about these issues in the way that the president does and wants to rethink things in a fundamental way but isn't a troll, isn't sort of an insult in a way to the institutions.

And I wonder, like, why is there this tension, right? It would be so smart to my mind, again, to pick the smart, thoughtful people who care about these issues in the way that the president does and wants to rethink things in a fundamental way but isn't a troll, isn't sort of an insult in a way to the institutions.

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Okay, well, before we close out, we have a few fun predictions to end on. TikTok returning to the App Store before 2026 is trading at a 93% chance of happening on the predictions market app Kaoshi, our sponsor for this episode. Do you think it is that likely that Trump and the tech titans will let TikTok back onto the App Store?