Peter Singer

which in turn has been supported by Dustin Moskowitz and Carrie Tuner, who are sort of digital billionaires.

And so that's, you know, some hundreds of millions anyway, perhaps a billion or so has gone in that way.

So I feel that this moral argument actually has had quite a sizable impact, not of the trillion dollar range that you mentioned is needed, but has affected very large numbers of people now for the better.

And that's mostly what I've been focusing on.

But let me just say one more thing.

I have recently got involved with or co-founded an organization called Profit for Good, which is looking at the company aspect of it.

And people can go to the website profitforgood.com and see what we're doing.

And if any of your listeners are involved with companies that they have some influence over and that might be interested in joining the Profit for Good Alliance, we'd be very happy to hear from them.

I think it's a little unfair to say that effective altruism said, give money to them.

They might have said, give it to think tanks that they're working for.

That's possible.

Yeah, right.

Okay, good.

I thought you might be suggesting that they were siphoning off the money.

And of course, that was suggested about Sam Bankman Freed, which is one of the reasons why effective altruism took a bit of a hit, because he had been a kind of a pinup boy before.

the world's richest person under 30 and he had said that he was going to give it away to effective causes and then it turned out that there was a fraud going on that he was using trust funds from clients.

And he's currently sitting in prison.

That's very unfortunate in a variety of ways.

Obviously, the loss of large amounts of money that could have gone to good causes is the greatest tragedy.

But it's not representative of the movement as a whole.