Peter Van Sant

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I've seen a lot of stuff over 30 years, you know, some very despicable crime and things that are kind of tough to wrap your head around. And this ranks right up there in the pantheon of Rhode Island fraudsters.

I've seen a lot of stuff over 30 years, you know, some very despicable crime and things that are kind of tough to wrap your head around. And this ranks right up there in the pantheon of Rhode Island fraudsters.

I've seen a lot of stuff over 30 years, you know. Some very despicable crime and things that are kind of tough to wrap your head around. And this ranks right up there in the pantheon of Rhode Island fraudsters.

I've seen a lot of stuff over 30 years, you know. Some very despicable crime and things that are kind of tough to wrap your head around. And this ranks right up there in the pantheon of Rhode Island fraudsters.

I've seen a lot of stuff over 30 years, you know, some very despicable crime and things that are kind of tough to wrap your head around. And this ranks right up there in the pantheon of Rhode Island fraudsters.

I've seen a lot of stuff over 30 years, you know, some very despicable crime and things that are kind of tough to wrap your head around. And this ranks right up there in the pantheon of Rhode Island fraudsters.

Hi, Anne-Marie. It's great to be here again. And they called this the Ferris wheel, so hop on and enjoy the ride, folks.

Hi, Anne-Marie. It's great to be here again. And they called this the Ferris wheel, so hop on and enjoy the ride, folks.

Hi, Anne-Marie. It's great to be here again. And they called this the Ferris wheel, so hop on and enjoy the ride, folks.

Scott was questioned. He was never charged with any crime whatsoever. And during the course of the trial, defense attorneys, there was all this innuendo out there, and they're questioning that he must have had something to do with his father's murder. But in fact,

Scott was questioned. He was never charged with any crime whatsoever. And during the course of the trial, defense attorneys, there was all this innuendo out there, and they're questioning that he must have had something to do with his father's murder. But in fact,

Scott was questioned. He was never charged with any crime whatsoever. And during the course of the trial, defense attorneys, there was all this innuendo out there, and they're questioning that he must have had something to do with his father's murder. But in fact,

On July 3rd, 2018, the day that authorities believe Gary Ferris was murdered, Scott's cell phone and Scott were far away from the family farm. He didn't return until about 1130 that night, so he simply wasn't there. Sitting across from him, though...

On July 3rd, 2018, the day that authorities believe Gary Ferris was murdered, Scott's cell phone and Scott were far away from the family farm. He didn't return until about 1130 that night, so he simply wasn't there. Sitting across from him, though...

On July 3rd, 2018, the day that authorities believe Gary Ferris was murdered, Scott's cell phone and Scott were far away from the family farm. He didn't return until about 1130 that night, so he simply wasn't there. Sitting across from him, though...

You know, people like you and me who've interviewed so many people, we have a belief that we have a sense that we can judge a person's veracity, their honesty. He looked me right in the eye. He has told a consistent story throughout. People who are lying oftentimes will tell different versions of what happened because they can't quite keep their story straight. Not with Scott.

You know, people like you and me who've interviewed so many people, we have a belief that we have a sense that we can judge a person's veracity, their honesty. He looked me right in the eye. He has told a consistent story throughout. People who are lying oftentimes will tell different versions of what happened because they can't quite keep their story straight. Not with Scott.

You know, people like you and me who've interviewed so many people, we have a belief that we have a sense that we can judge a person's veracity, their honesty. He looked me right in the eye. He has told a consistent story throughout. People who are lying oftentimes will tell different versions of what happened because they can't quite keep their story straight. Not with Scott.

I challenged him with lots of tough questions and he took them on with a great spirit, answered everything. There was nothing that... that was off limits with Scott, which was fantastic. The defense tried to raise suspicions that he was involved with all of this. We didn't get into this a lot in the hour, but it is interesting. Scott Ferris lived in an apartment at the very top of the barn.