Phil Davis

And then I think, what about our psychology programs?

Yep, largely performance psychologists, Jared, inside AFL clubs, not so much the broader piece.

And yes, they can touch and they can cross over, but there's some work.

Like personally, when I played, I had the performance psych at the club and then I had my own psych outside of that.

And that's sort of how I positioned myself.

And I think, as I said, if you then look at that and you go, okay, well, have the AFL put in a structure in every club to give every club the best chance, every player the best chance to handle what I think increasing demands.

If you think about level of scrutiny, like, I think there's like, I don't know, this is going to be, I'm going to get well wrong and everyone's going to yell at me, but somewhere between 10 and 20 footy shows now a week, Jared, there's

There are more journalists associated with the AFL than the government, from what I've been told.

And then you've got social media now, from Instagram to Twitter to TikTok.

It's all encompassing.

So I think if you think about the strain on the players, I don't think we've got the structure right.

And then B, the governance, like...

Yeah, it's all well and good to have these play development managers and the like and psychs, but where's the accountability of what's being done?

Like where's the plan?

Where's the action plan that gets followed and we have some governance around it to ensure that we're checking and ticking off that things are being done?

So I think as we summarize it there, Jared, I think about it's like, A, let's look after Elijah.

He needs some support.

Secondly, let's dig into Carlton's oversight and why, and they should get punished accordingly because this is not good enough.

And then thirdly, at the AFL level, let's ensure we've got the right structure and then the right governance and oversight to ensure it works properly.

Yeah, and I think we've got a great position to be advocates and supporters for the broader thing, and that's where the Spud game fits.