Phil 'Gus' Gould

But look at the money that's in the game now.

Look at the earnings.

There's careers for everybody.

There are all – so many walks of life can have careers in rugby league.

You don't have to be a footballer to be involved in professional football.

And there are so many different jobs that you can have.

Well, he was a great education to me.

I mean, I learned more from Freddie than anything because when I first met Freddie, he was 18 years of age.

He was Brad Fittler back then.

He wasn't Freddie.

He was, yeah, and what he's done with his life in that time has been incredible.

The man he is today and what he does in the game, not just his media stuff, but everything else he does in the game is a credit to him.

And that's what rugby league can do.

I mean, Freddie came from very humble beginnings.

He was a great talent, obviously, but he learned to be a really great professional footballer.

He learned to be a great leader.

And then he's morphed that into a career post-football

I put that a lot down to the fact that we're able to get him to the eastern suburbs and be involved with some really incredible people that have helped with his development over a long period of time as a man.

Yep.

And he's a credit to himself.