Phil 'Gus' Gould

You know, like whatever that work is, whether it's in the media or football or what have you, I think I always want to work.

I don't, I don't want to sort of be retired doing anything, but, um,

Yeah, and Craig, you know, longevity, those fellas have done an extraordinary job.

You've got to be winning to do it.

Yeah.

There's too much pressure on the losing side of it, but they've done extraordinary jobs.

Not that I've spoken a lot to Wayne over the years.

I mean, we've been in the game together a long time, but he lived in Brisbane and I lived in Sydney, and we never sort of spoke that often.

Only through media opportunities and interviews, we might have a lunch together every now and then.

We've talked about the different generations, just dealing with kids from different age groups and different generations, and it's very, very different today to what it was when we started 30, 40 years ago in the way that you communicate, the way you talk, their obligations, the amount of money they're earning, full-time athletes as against part-time athletes.

It's a very, very different – I would say that our game –

only in the last decade has come to terms with full-time professionalism, even though since the mid-'90s there was enough money for you not to work just to do football.

But as sporting organisations, we've only really just come to terms with it in the last decade.

What's that sort of – What a professional, full-time professional sports organisation looks like.

Yeah, okay.

So to give you an example, when I finished coaching back in the late-'90s,

It was me and a trainer, and we did everything.

Yeah.

Seriously.

In the late 90s.