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Phil Hellmuth

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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Epstein Files Fallout, Nvidia Risks, Burry's Bad Bet, Google's Breakthrough, Tether's Boom

I'm going to take the other side of it.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Epstein Files Fallout, Nvidia Risks, Burry's Bad Bet, Google's Breakthrough, Tether's Boom

I think what's going to happen is the AI gains in advertising targeting and the number of searches is going to go up.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Epstein Files Fallout, Nvidia Risks, Burry's Bad Bet, Google's Breakthrough, Tether's Boom

So while the revenue per search might go down, the number of searches goes up, and then the targeting goes up.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Epstein Files Fallout, Nvidia Risks, Burry's Bad Bet, Google's Breakthrough, Tether's Boom

So I'm going to take the other side of it.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Epstein Files Fallout, Nvidia Risks, Burry's Bad Bet, Google's Breakthrough, Tether's Boom

I think the search franchise is going to grow, and that Google is not going to lose to ChatGPT.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Epstein Files Fallout, Nvidia Risks, Burry's Bad Bet, Google's Breakthrough, Tether's Boom

And I think the big loser in all this is going to be OpenAI, because they started with 100% of the market, and they're only going down.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Epstein Files Fallout, Nvidia Risks, Burry's Bad Bet, Google's Breakthrough, Tether's Boom

And they're facing Google firing on all cylinders, Anthropic and Grok beating them in the leaderboards pretty consistently.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Epstein Files Fallout, Nvidia Risks, Burry's Bad Bet, Google's Breakthrough, Tether's Boom

So I think the short in all of this, if you were going to put on the pair trade, is short OpenAI, which I think is overvalued and is going to go down.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Epstein Files Fallout, Nvidia Risks, Burry's Bad Bet, Google's Breakthrough, Tether's Boom

And I think I would be long Google, Grok, and Anthropic.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Epstein Files Fallout, Nvidia Risks, Burry's Bad Bet, Google's Breakthrough, Tether's Boom

I think that they're going to have many challenges.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Epstein Files Fallout, Nvidia Risks, Burry's Bad Bet, Google's Breakthrough, Tether's Boom

Also, I don't think the startup community, I'll just add this as my final thought on it, the startup community is not trusting OpenAI with their data.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Epstein Files Fallout, Nvidia Risks, Burry's Bad Bet, Google's Breakthrough, Tether's Boom

If you use OpenAI and you see them releasing products like Sora, if you were in the space of doing image generation, social networking, why would you trust OpenAI with your data?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Epstein Files Fallout, Nvidia Risks, Burry's Bad Bet, Google's Breakthrough, Tether's Boom

If you're doing a cursor and OpenAI has that product, they're not going to trust them.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Epstein Files Fallout, Nvidia Risks, Burry's Bad Bet, Google's Breakthrough, Tether's Boom

They're going to go with a model like Anthropic, which is taking a more neutral, we're not going to go to the application level.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Epstein Files Fallout, Nvidia Risks, Burry's Bad Bet, Google's Breakthrough, Tether's Boom

And they're also using deep seek and open source models, again, because they don't want to give their data and their advantage over to a person and enabling somebody who might compete with them.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Epstein Files Fallout, Nvidia Risks, Burry's Bad Bet, Google's Breakthrough, Tether's Boom

Let me just, yeah, go ahead.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Epstein Files Fallout, Nvidia Risks, Burry's Bad Bet, Google's Breakthrough, Tether's Boom

Okay.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Epstein Files Fallout, Nvidia Risks, Burry's Bad Bet, Google's Breakthrough, Tether's Boom

So announcements 2026, impact 27?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Epstein Files Fallout, Nvidia Risks, Burry's Bad Bet, Google's Breakthrough, Tether's Boom

Probably fair.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Epstein Files Fallout, Nvidia Risks, Burry's Bad Bet, Google's Breakthrough, Tether's Boom

Sure.