Phil

this man and and i tell you what is the most important component of this is not that a celebrity is calling for revolution it's that you can see it in his eyes he doesn't know what this will mean he doesn't know what this will mean the horrors you will experience are beyond your comprehension go talk to any real combat veteran go talk to one of these guys doing wet works in foreign countries and talk to them about what what happens when the system falls apart

Talk to them about in Egypt, when the military decided they could not keep a handle on the Muslim Brotherhood, so they showed up with AKs and started mowing people down, just killing them in the street.

This guy doesn't understand.

He'll be sitting in Santa Monica, sipping his coffee, saying, I think the rich white, boom!

And then half his face is blown off and he's sitting there shaking, can't hear anything with blood dripping from his mouth.

what does it matter the the world view of these people is not going to change and you're not going to convince them you're not going to sit down for a cup of coffee and explain to gene carlo esposito why you don't want war because he doesn't know if this guy knew he would not be calling for it and he's not going to believe you the only thing that would ever change these people's minds is actual experience but how do you give someone experience of what it's like to be in a war

They don't know what a war is.

They want this to happen.

We've gone back and forth, Phil and I, quite a bit on there is no off ramp.

And we are in a substantially worse position now than we were six months ago and six months before that.

Is there any indication this is slowing down or is not going to escalate?

Phil sat down the first day he was here and he went, civil war.

And I was like, Phil, slow down there.

We don't say that on this show.

Well, the off-ramp, I'd imagine it just includes...

The way we often describe it is, you know what, let's do this, let's do this.

We had Tony on the show, Tony Ortiz, and he said he's in the nothing ever happens camp.

My argument to him is that the people who think nothing ever happens have a fictionalized or condensed view of what history really is.

You read a history book, you'll read a single page explaining the entirety of World War II.

Certainly overlooks the nuances of every year throughout the conflict, or the American Revolution for that matter.