Philip Boucher Hayes

What happens if we don't do that?

And how different do you find the approach of each county council as you lodge your planning applications now?

Ronan Parr, Chief Executive, Solar Ireland.

Thank you very much for that.

Una Duggan is Head of Policy at Birdwatch Ireland.

Birdwatch Ireland was very far ahead of the game when 12 years ago they drew up national land use maps of habitats occupied by key bird species.

Una, what happened to that plan?

So basically, in cruder terms, you're saying that you were mapping hooper swans breed here and then fly from there to here to feed along this route.

So we shouldn't be building anything along those routes.

And it was ignored.

Explain something to me though.

We have special protection areas for birds.

We have things like what we just heard about there, the breeding waders, EIP, hot zones.

Is that not enough or do we need a national level plan like yours that joins all of those areas up?

Everybody working at cross-purposes to each other.

I understand you.

Una Duggan, Head of Policy at Birdwatch Ireland.

Thank you very much.

It's very Lord of the Rings, really, isn't it?

We need a plan to unite all of the other plans.