Phillip Coorey

But I think we're now seeing the trade-off for that or the reckoning, and that's higher taxes.

And, you know, that's the challenge they have to sort of try and get people concerned about that again.

And it's not going to be easy.

Yeah, 100%.

And that's the, this is the sort of conundrum we're talking about, the left-right thing, you know.

I mean, if Abbott sticks to

to the sort of bread and butter stuff of economic management and migration levels and things that are sort of general concern.

it wouldn't be too bad.

If he starts wading into the culture wars and, you know, the transgender issues and all that stuff, which excites the right, you know, the conservative wing of the Liberal Party, then that very scenario you outlined will come into play.

You know, I think Angus Taylor says you can't beat her on that stuff.

At best, you can sort of neutralise it.

The only way the Liberal Party can beat One Nation is on the economy.

You know, One Nation doesn't really have the heft or the policy intellect to

on the economy that the Liberal Party had or even Labor has.

But if you start chasing them on that stuff, she just keeps moving to the right.

If you say, okay, we're going to do X, she'll say, now we want you to do Y, whether it's net zero or transgender or leaving Paris or all these sorts of things.

And so it's a mug's game doing that.

I think...

looking at Abbott's language on Monday, he was basically telling those voters who've already jumped ship, we used to do this stuff and we've got a track record of doing it and we do it better.

So, you know, don't go to Pauline.