Pierre Poilievre

How was this emotionally?

So after it's all over, I've got this wonderful photo of that.

You and your family.

You said the emotions came after because you were going, going, going, going, going.

What does that look like?

The disappointment of not delivering for people the night of election, the day after?

If I'm watching you as a fly on the wall, what do I see?

Do you think that if Trump hadn't have said the thing about taking Canada and he hadn't have done the tariffs, you would be…

leading Canada right now?

As someone that doesn't know a ton about this stuff, I'm asking kind of for me, I find it interesting to see how consequential these, what do they call them?

Not...

Butterfly effect?

Yes.

How the unexpected dominoes can fall and change the course of history.

So if Trump hadn't have said those things, if we were to speculate, do you think it would have changed the outcome of the election?

If you had to bet your house.

Dealing with those moments, you mentioned Stoicism.

I found this book, Meditations by Marcus Aurelius, which I think was quite formative for how you see things in some respects and generally Stoicism.

I heard you say you're not acted upon.

One of the things you often find in Stoicism and other sort of teachings of that time is this idea of being flexibly minded in terms of being able to learn and being growth-minded and being able to evolve.