PJ Vogt

But the hope is maybe this whole process, this story could be a kind of rough draft itself for other American engineers, inventors with ideas of their own, a process to look at, tweak, iterate on, improve. You never know. We'll see. Search Engine is a presentation of Odyssey and Jigsaw Productions.

But the hope is maybe this whole process, this story could be a kind of rough draft itself for other American engineers, inventors with ideas of their own, a process to look at, tweak, iterate on, improve. You never know. We'll see. Search Engine is a presentation of Odyssey and Jigsaw Productions.

But the hope is maybe this whole process, this story could be a kind of rough draft itself for other American engineers, inventors with ideas of their own, a process to look at, tweak, iterate on, improve. You never know. We'll see. Search Engine is a presentation of Odyssey and Jigsaw Productions.

It was created by me, PJ Vogt, and Truthy Pinamaneni, and is produced by Garrett Graham and Noah John. Fact-checking by Mary Mathis. Theme, original composition, and mixing by Armin Bazarian. Additional production support by Sean Merchant.

It was created by me, PJ Vogt, and Truthy Pinamaneni, and is produced by Garrett Graham and Noah John. Fact-checking by Mary Mathis. Theme, original composition, and mixing by Armin Bazarian. Additional production support by Sean Merchant.

It was created by me, PJ Vogt, and Truthy Pinamaneni, and is produced by Garrett Graham and Noah John. Fact-checking by Mary Mathis. Theme, original composition, and mixing by Armin Bazarian. Additional production support by Sean Merchant.

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If you'd like to support this show, keep it alive and get ad-free episodes, zero reruns and the occasional bonus episode, please consider signing up for our incognito mode. You can learn more at searchengine.show. We are also about to launch our merch. I mentioned in our last episode, it's coming very soon. There will be a discount for Incognito Mode members.

If you'd like to support this show, keep it alive and get ad-free episodes, zero reruns and the occasional bonus episode, please consider signing up for our incognito mode. You can learn more at searchengine.show. We are also about to launch our merch. I mentioned in our last episode, it's coming very soon. There will be a discount for Incognito Mode members.

Our executive producer is Leah Reese Dennis. Thank you to the team at Jigsaw, Alex Gibney, Rich Peralo, and John Schmidt. And to the team at Odyssey, J.D. Crowley, Rob Morandi, Craig Cox, Eric Donnelly, Colin Gaynor, Maura Curran, Josephina Francis, Kurt Courtney, and Hilary Shuff. Our agent is Oren Rosenbaum at UTA.

Our executive producer is Leah Reese Dennis. Thank you to the team at Jigsaw, Alex Gibney, Rich Peralo, and John Schmidt. And to the team at Odyssey, J.D. Crowley, Rob Morandi, Craig Cox, Eric Donnelly, Colin Gaynor, Maura Curran, Josephina Francis, Kurt Courtney, and Hilary Shuff. Our agent is Oren Rosenbaum at UTA.

Our executive producer is Leah Reese Dennis. Thank you to the team at Jigsaw, Alex Gibney, Rich Peralo, and John Schmidt. And to the team at Odyssey, J.D. Crowley, Rob Morandi, Craig Cox, Eric Donnelly, Colin Gaynor, Maura Curran, Josephina Francis, Kurt Courtney, and Hilary Shuff. Our agent is Oren Rosenbaum at UTA.

Follow and listen to Search Engine for free on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next week.

Follow and listen to Search Engine for free on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next week.

Follow and listen to Search Engine for free on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next week.

I have a lot more appreciation for people who run businesses. I have spent years being the artist baby side of it. And you're just like, oh, it is its own art. It's its own creativity. It's really art.

I have a lot more appreciation for people who run businesses. I have spent years being the artist baby side of it. And you're just like, oh, it is its own art. It's its own creativity. It's really art.

I have a lot more appreciation for people who run businesses. I have spent years being the artist baby side of it. And you're just like, oh, it is its own art. It's its own creativity. It's really art.

So here's one of those questions that might actually be too big or at least unanswerable by another person. I am really struggling in the early days of the second Trump administration to figure out how much attention to pay to what the new federal government is doing. I keep asking myself what, if anything, I learned the first time around.

So here's one of those questions that might actually be too big or at least unanswerable by another person. I am really struggling in the early days of the second Trump administration to figure out how much attention to pay to what the new federal government is doing. I keep asking myself what, if anything, I learned the first time around.