PJ Vogt

And he's not necessarily logging data.

He's just enjoying his self-driving car and taking it all over the place.

Chris comes from an academic background.

He's that Canadian, very nice, very careful, very risk-averse guy.

When I asked Chris Urmson about all this, his memory was slightly different.

In his memory, Team Anthony was pretty much just Anthony.

And Anthony, he said, was a move fast and break things kind of guy.

Move fast and break things, a motto famously coined by Mark Zuckerberg.

It defines a way of developing technology which once might have felt cute and revolutionary, but which today, at least to me, feels pretty irresponsible.

Chris didn't think that philosophy was an option for their team.

Even if their cars were statistically safer than human drivers, he knew that the first news story about a self-driving car in a fatal accident was going to be a huge deal.

Anecdote was going to demolish data if they weren't extremely careful.

By all accounts, Anthony Lewandowski felt differently.

But he actually wasn't the only one.

Here's Don Burnett.

There were some people on the team, very famously, including myself, that started to get the itch kind of towards the three to four year mark.

The itch of like, okay, where is this going?

Who is it for?

How are they going to use it?

Where are they going to use it?