PJ Vogt

And so it's like, he's bringing you to the car crash of his behavior, but then the thing you get curious about is his advice about how to be a gigachat.

They're like convincing a person who's 18 to have the anxieties of a person who's middle-aged.

Oh, God.

That's insane.

It's so confusing for me because, like, I'm both more disconnected from this internet than the last one, but also...

The main way that I experience teenage boys is, like, I have stepkids and they have friends.

I'm constantly, like, driving them places or they're, like, doing sleepovers or whatever.

And it's weird.

I look at this stuff and I'm like, oh, my God, that seems horrible for, like, an average 15-year-old kid's, like, ideas about sex.

ideas about race, ideas about women.

But then I see the teenage boys in my life, and, like, they seem self-conscious.

They don't seem, like, hateful.

I think that's right.

The other thing I'm curious about is just, do you feel like with peptide marketing, do you feel that it is aimed, just in your experience with the internet, are you seeing it more aimed at men?

Or are you just seeing that it is equal opportunity in a way that cosmetics wouldn't have been in the past?

I think it's more equal opportunity.

It's weird to draw a line from somebody figuring out finally how to make video for social media work to teenagers have mini fridges with injectables in their bedrooms.

Totally.

After the break, we leave the kingdom of Clavicular and head back to Silicon Valley, where our story will resolve on, I promise, a less doomy note.

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