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PJ Vogt

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Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Like that taught me an incredibly important lesson about experts.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

that for the rest of my life, I decided experts are usually experts of the past, not the future.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

And if you ask an expert about innovation, something crazy new, they're the least likely person to say, yes, it can be done.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

So this is where the Google self-driving car project begins in 2009.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

It's led by Sebastian, joined by others from the DARPA challenges.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

The methodical Chris Armisen was running most things day to day.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Anthony Lewandowski, the flashy motorcycle guy, would work on hardware.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Dmitry Dolgov, another DARPA veteran, would be responsible for planning and optimization.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

It was a secret project.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

They'd report directly to Larry Page, a small enough team that there'd be no bureaucracy, few emails, fewer meetings.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Just 11 engineers who writer Alex Davies says represented some of the best young talent in the country.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

And so Google builds this very quiet team, and it says to them,

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

build us a self-driving car.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

And because that goal is super nebulous, they give them two challenges.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

They say, safely log 100,000 miles on public roads, but they also give them a challenge called the Larry 1K.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

So Larry and Sergey and I sat together and the two of them carved out a thousand total miles of road surface in California.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

They open up Google Maps and they just click around and they look for 10 separate 100-mile routes

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

that are really tricky.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Absolutely everything, like the Bay Bridge and Lake Tahoe and Highway 1 to Los Angeles and Market Street and even Crooked Lombard Street.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

And they say to the team, you have to drive each of these 100-mile routes without one human takeover of the system, without one failure of the car.