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PJ Vogt

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Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

His name is Timothy B. Lee, author of the newsletter Understanding AI.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

I asked him how much our picture of the Waymo safety data has been evolving.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

So it's been pretty consistent the last couple of years.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

They are scaling up.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

And so all the numbers get bigger, like the total number of miles get bigger, the number of crashes get bigger.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

But the light crashes per mile have not changed a ton.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Waymo says, and I think this is correct, that it's roughly 80% safer in terms of crashes that are severe enough to trigger an airbag, crashes severe enough to cause an injury, and also crashes involving vulnerable road users like pedestrians or bicyclists.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

So 80% fewer airbag crashes than human drivers, and actually 90% fewer crashes that cause a serious injury.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Some independent experts have small quibbles with the methodology, but broadly they find Waymo's data credible.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Timothy pointed out there's one very important thing we don't know, the fatal crash comparison.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

For every 100 million miles humans drive, we cause a little over one fatal crash.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

The Waymo driver has driven 200 million miles without causing a fatal crash.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

But statistically speaking, that could still be a fluke.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Some academics have suggested we'd need about 300 million miles to have statistical confidence.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

In the hundreds of millions of miles the Waymo driver has traveled, it was involved in two fatal crashes which it did not appear to cause.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Here are the details of those crashes.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

In one, a speeding human driver rear-ended a line of vehicles at a stoplight.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

There's an empty Waymo in the line of struck cars.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

In another crash, a Waymo was yielding for a pedestrian.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

It was rear-ended by a motorcycle.