Preston Stewart

And it was crazy stats of like 20,000 Russian shells fired a day, just devastating stuff to live through.

Ukraine can't fight that fight.

They don't want to.

We don't want to, to be clear.

Nobody wants to get into an artillery war with Russia.

So Ukraine started innovating.

Now both sides did this, but Ukraine found a way out of the trenches through the use of drones.

And they really pushed the innovation down to where it's not a headquarters or a company saying this is the munition and this is the type you're going to use.

It was soldiers innovating.

coming up with a new 3D printed design and what type of battery works better in these conditions and how far does it fly in the winter versus the summer?

And these individuals became experts.

That then worked its way up into companies that started to mass produce these things.

So they've been able to leverage kind of a wide range of expertise, whereas we generally in the United States, it's a bit more top down, right?

Lockheed says, this is your new system.

Good luck figuring it out.

So a very ground up approach, and that's something 100% we should learn from.

Now, both sides are doing this throughout the war.

This is not a Ukraine, unique to Ukraine by any stretch.

And we've seen waves, the fiber optic drones that are on a cable.

So one of the challenges, Nat, in this conflict is there's electronic warfare jammers.