Preston Stewart

And I'm excited to get Matt's take on this because we're seeing the refineries get hit.

But it's very hard to pin down, like, what does that actually mean for the war effort?

I would add that we went to the Black Sea Security Forum.

And in there, they were maybe a little too optimistic, I would argue.

There was a lot of talk about after the war, especially with technology and innovation and how they can bring drones to the rest of Europe.

And I get the desire to want to start talking about that.

I think it's the right move at that level, but shows you how far it's come.

I'm sorry, where was that conversation, just for our listener?

That was in Odessa at something called the Black Sea Security Forum.

It was a pretty cool event.

They had these military conferences essentially around the world, and this is one that's hosted on the Black Sea in Odessa, so a southern port in Ukraine.

I want to say this is the third year they've held it.

But, you know, kind of a think tank type tech companies come in, military companies come in, units come in, politicians.

The U.S.

was represented by Senator Kelly, Senator Gallego, and Senator Blumenthal were all there speaking.

Mm-hmm.

It's pretty wild.

A pretty big discrepancy.

I think so.

But it's also that that's a bit different than the soldiers that we interacted with.