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Professor Autumn Womack

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337 total appearances

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Podcast Appearances

Secret Life of Books
Saved from Fire: the Toni Morrison Archives

And I particularly love a writer's archive because you do get this kind of like unconscious logic of the book.

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Secret Life of Books
Saved from Fire: the Toni Morrison Archives

See, we have the published book.

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Secret Life of Books
Saved from Fire: the Toni Morrison Archives

We always think of that as the final thing, especially when we think about writers like Morrison who are,

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Secret Life of Books
Saved from Fire: the Toni Morrison Archives

undoubtedly like gifted literary geniuses right we just think of the final project and then we don't actually think of like all of the things that they had to do to get there and all the things that didn't happen but could have happened so for me the archive is like at once we think of it as this this official place that records everything that happened right like we go to the archive to confirm a fact or to get proof or to affirm that something happened but there's also this way that it's

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Secret Life of Books
Saved from Fire: the Toni Morrison Archives

All of these things that didn't happen, like the characters who didn't make it in or the versions that could have been but weren't or like the Bluest Eye, Claudia was not in it for a very long time.

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Secret Life of Books
Saved from Fire: the Toni Morrison Archives

It was not in the first person for a very long time.

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Secret Life of Books
Saved from Fire: the Toni Morrison Archives

And so those kind of questions for me are just they're interesting.

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Secret Life of Books
Saved from Fire: the Toni Morrison Archives

It's like, oh, wow.

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Secret Life of Books
Saved from Fire: the Toni Morrison Archives

But then it also and this is kind of where my my interest in the narrative and form comes in.

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Secret Life of Books
Saved from Fire: the Toni Morrison Archives

It also is OK that why for the story did Claudia have to be there?

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Secret Life of Books
Saved from Fire: the Toni Morrison Archives

Right.

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Secret Life of Books
Saved from Fire: the Toni Morrison Archives

So that becomes like another kind of interesting question for me that opens us up into a different level of thinking about the book.

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Secret Life of Books
Saved from Fire: the Toni Morrison Archives

So I really think of archives as a place that you go to ask questions, really, which I know is a kind of counterintuitive way to think about it.

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Secret Life of Books
Saved from Fire: the Toni Morrison Archives

And often when I teach with the archives, my students want to go there to confirm their suspicion about something.

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Secret Life of Books
Saved from Fire: the Toni Morrison Archives

And I really try to encourage them to say, OK, no, you go to the archive and you think of it as this like boundless field of questions.

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Secret Life of Books
Saved from Fire: the Toni Morrison Archives

And you see where it takes you and you let it speak to you and you listen to what it says, not to what you wanted to say about the novel or about the book or about a historical moment.

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Secret Life of Books
Saved from Fire: the Toni Morrison Archives

Yeah, so one of the things... So I was recently going through the drafts for The Bluest Eye, and one of the things that I found is a scene, and I don't even think the scene makes sense in the novel, which makes it interesting in and of itself, but there's a scene where the character who becomes, in the published version, Piccola, originally in the drafts, her name was Eunice, so that's another interesting thing.

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Secret Life of Books
Saved from Fire: the Toni Morrison Archives

But she's getting teased, and initially Morrison says...

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Secret Life of Books
Saved from Fire: the Toni Morrison Archives

they were shouting at her full of hate, okay?

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Secret Life of Books
Saved from Fire: the Toni Morrison Archives

And then she revises it, and she says, shouting at her full of joy.

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