Professor Bobby Duffy

has been part of that too.

So you end up with a workplace where people just have had much less contact with people of other age groups outside their own family being pushed together in the workplace and really not understanding each other as much as

You should.

So this is why when I try to talk to people about Gen Z workplace strategies, which is what it's often framed at, is I try to get them to realize that's exactly the wrong question.

What you should be talking about is an intergenerational workplace strategy that brings people together.

Don't do something special for Gen Z.

try to bring the different generations together, not just the oldest, include the middle two in this.

Trying to get people to that kind of idea is, I think, incredibly helpful and people get it intuitively.

But it's so interesting that all the background noise about difference and conflict colours people's views so they don't really see that, that actually it's separation, not conflict, that's the issue.

Yeah, it's definitely huge.

It is a completely different way to live, which we haven't really prepared ourselves for.

We haven't really changed much about our other behaviours.

And I have some issues with the kind of Jonathan Haidt thesis about an anxious generation, but it is...

more sophisticated than it's often discussed because what Jonathan talks about is we have under-protected young people online, particularly children, but over-protected them in the real world.

And it's those two things together that have left people feeling a bit lost and lonely or having to hold on to an identity in small niche groups that can lead people astray.

So I do recognize, I think that is really important, is those two things together that we've effectively let the online space run wild while restricting young people's freedom within the real world.

And that has left them quite scared and anxious as well.

As your listener says.

So yeah, it is a key part of shaping this generation and in a way, definitely more digitally native to that world than most of the previous generations, even in millennials.

So this is something that they've grown up with as completely natural.